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Lost in guilt and control - Barry

Dear Bernd... it's been a while huh? i still pop in from time to time to keep up to date... but anywayze... on the 14th of July our son turns one... my estranged partner (EP) doesn't want me around for his birthday party, only her family and our friends are invited... none of my family? she suggested that i could do something for our son's birthday the weekend prior, offering to bring him down (a 3hr drive), but i din't feel comfortable with her telling me when i could and could not celebrate his birthday? instead i'm going up the night before and having him on his actual birthday (a work day), she's taking him away for a holiday afterwards for two weeks (even though she's not working??)... so i won't see him again for another three weeks *sigh*

my problem is i'm still getting cut up when my EP calls me usually onlly for money or to make sure i'm coming up on weekends.. eg.. last time she called to ask if i'd sent this months Child Support, i could hear our son crying in the background... i asked her what was wrong and she replied that he had a cold... a cold because she didn't have a car and had to take him out in the cold... i responded by saying her was i supposed to buy her a car now as well? her repsonse was something like "no! that's what i get for marrying a bastard!!" after i thanked her for reminding me of my heritage.. i said i'd send her a cheque on Monday (i normally send a cheque at the end of every month).. then she she hit me with i didn't care about our son, that it was obvious he wasn't a priority, etc, etc, etc... because i was shifting this weekend and wouldn't be coming up to see him????? i just don't know what to say any more... nothing i do or say improves our situation?? i've talked to her about it... she says she needs to hang on to all her anger and pain so she doesn't get sick or break down (and therefore won't be ablr to take care of our son?)... i've said that it's not helping her, or our son being the 'way' she is... it's been nearly eight months since we seperated... she's said previously that she can't stand to be in the same room as me, that she doesn't love me anymore, that she hopes i suffer for the rest of my life, that i've ruined her life, that all she want's to do is find somebody new and start a new life but she can't because "i'm holding her back!"... she's also told a girlfriend that she wants me out of her life completely? (yet she gives me a hard time about money and seeing my son???)

she doesn't want to have any counselling... her folks don't talk to me or want to have anything to do with me... i'm just very tired of the whole situation... i keep hoping things will improve for our son's sake but she keeps making it worse and worse... to quote my marriage counsellor... "it's a lose-lose situation"... i really feel like giving up but my son is there and i love him dearly.. his love is unconditional and we always have lots of fun together... i couldn't imagine not seeing him... even if it is only on weekends...

i've being going out and 'trying' to meet/make new friends... but my feelings for my EP always come flooding back... *sigh* whether it's a song i hear or a film or seeing another couple with their baby/s... it all still hurts worse than hell!!.. i've done a lot of crying... even crying in public which is something i'd never have done before... what can i do to improve my situation or is it really a hopeless cause???

lost and confused again.

From: Bernd

"Nothing i do or say improves our situation??" Maybe your real frustration here is that nothing you do or say seems to improve her ways of handling things. She's still using what she knows will work on you emotionally. And you're still struggling with your own guilt, and trying to convince her (and yourself) that what she says isn't true, even partially.

Barry, none of us is wise enough to judge anyone, especially ourselves. She has a right to her opinions, but that doesn't make them right. Keep searching for the truths you're looking for, and when you feel pain, try to ask yourself "what am I doing/thinking/reacting that is letting this pain swim thru me?" instead of "why is she trying to hurt me so much?".

When someone tries to punch us, we can take a step back and let them swing at empty air, or we can lean forward and step right into the punch. Stepping back isn't a sign of weakness; it's a sign of wisdom. Let her lash out as much as she needs to (and she needs to), and keep focusing on the things you need to do to heal the many old wounds you have inside.

To make a comparison: if you had a bad cut on your arm, and someone slapped you there, the agony would be excruciating, cause they'd touch the open wound. If however, you had wrapped that cut with dressing, and salve, giving it what it needs to heal, someone slapping you there would hurt, but much much less. Once it healed, a slap would just sting for a moment, but be more of a minor discomfort than anything. You can't do anything about your wife's lashing out, but you CAN do a lot about how much it hurts. Keep reaching out for help in dressing those wounds, and putting salve on them, and helping them heal.

Re: time with your son - right now, you very well may be limited in how much time you spend with him. That won't last forever. Focus on healing; trust that your healing will help you find ways to protect yourself with a soft invisible shield of love and acceptance, that will take whatever arrows your wife slings at you and turn them all into butterflies. That's the goal, and the closer you get to that, the easier it will be for your wife to see that friendship with you will help HER get a lot more happiness in her life than anger.

Have you read Mzet's posts over the past few months? He's going thru a similar struggle in many ways, and you might find that some of the things he's discovered can help you. Hang in there. It took many years to get to this swamp, so it's going to take a little while to find your way back out of it. It's taken us years, so why should you get the speedboat we didn't get????:) Hugs.

From: mzet

Hi: I know our situations are not the same, but here are my thoughts:

1.- Read and re-read Scott Peck's The Road Less Traveled. You'll see why after you have really internalized its words. If I can pin point one of the major times of growth throughout this whole mess, I would have to say that it was while I was wrestling with this book.

2.- You have to let go 100%. The ONLY thing you can do is concentrate on yourself. From what I read between the lines, you haven't made that step yet. You need to. This is essential in your healing and in unveiling the only possibility of reconciliation with her. If you don't let go 100% you close that possibility. (I say possibility, not probability, because results are not guaranteed. If she wants a divorce, there is nothing you can do, but if she chooses reconciliation in the future, only by your letting go will she feel invited to come back).

3.- It is not easy. It takes a long time. You will continue to suffer. You have to embrace all of it with love to find peace. It is inside of you, but you need to listen in silence.

4.- Your objective should not be to save the marriage. Let go of that too. If you keep trying to save it you'll keep stumbling and she will sense that. Your objective should be to love your wife. Period, regardless of her choices.

5.- To love your wife means to extend yourself to foster her spiritual growth (again, read Peck). This means at times to affirm her radical freedom to choose to be away from you, or to say or do things that can hurt you, or to divorce you. This kind of love hurts, but it is, in my opinion, the only way.

6.- There is no way you can possibly follow this road by yourself. But with humility, you will find the answers inside of you. You just need to be patient, open and in silence, the answers will come.

I am not suggesting you should follow this road. I don't think it is for everyone, but I can tell you that I have a level of tranquillity in the midst of what most think is an impossible and hopeless situation. Take care.


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