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How long to try? - Oregon

This page sure is a place of solace....Ive been following others experiences (and posting a little, when I feel I have something to offer) and if nothing, knowing others are feeling/have gone through/are going through these things is a comfort....

I’m hoping for some thoughts on effort and healing....My SigOther (of 8 years) and I fell apart about four months ago, essentially seperated (though living together), and an affair on her part in that time. About two months ago I confronted (is that really the right word) her about the affair and we agreed to try to work things out...

We entered couples counseling and have done about five sessions now. We have a good counselor for the most part, though not real structured, I guess, when it comes to communication strategies, etc. If youve read my post, (and Bernd’s thoughtful follow-up) you know that the main issues were caretaking, power, and desire.

Well, heres whats troubling me....I’m wondering how long to give this effort, and what I need in the interim...Essentially, I just dont feel shes putting any work into the repairs. She talks during counseling (I often feel a little under the gun there, something the counselor does a good job of diffusing) but when that one hour a week is over, she brings up little or nothing about what was said or explored. During the week between sessions she says virtually nothing about how she’s feeling. When she does, its rather self-centered (or complaining--especailly about past wrongs) and doesn’t really take my feelings into account. She will talk if I bring up what’s going on and will acknowledge being absent somewhat, even offering glimpses of real caring but can’t seem to sustain them. The thing is, I’ve been trying sincerely to show her the things she needs (from household habits to trust) and she can feel very secure in my dedication to our trying. But I feel a little lost in a twisty world and it seems that the right idea is to find some solace with each other....

It may seem crass, but I wonder how long I should give this process?? There must be a time, clearly, when its time to let go...and as a caretaking personality, I’m prone to try to fix things that are beyond repair... How long do I give her? Really, Ive shown sincere interest in working things out for four months, two of those months she was having an affair...so I’m not surprised she was unresponsive...but now what?? One month for every year?? ( a joke)

From: Bernd

How long? I took Lynda and me 2 years before we even BEGAN to get a handle on the issues that were screwing us up. And another couple years of very on-the-edge times when neither of us thought our relationship would survive at times.

How long? If your focus is on “fixing the relationship”, my guess is that you can count on it taking forever. To have the kind of relationship YOU want means - for her - that she has to meet your expectations of what that relationship should be like. No matter how liberal or understanding you try to be with those expectations, inside your emotions are going to send out clear signals of just what you really want. I sent out tons of mixed signals to Lynda; “rationally”, I was saying different things to her than my body and feelings were. I wanted so much for things to work that I was deluding myself into being “flexible” with things that really meant a lot to me. She resisted, and quite healthily so. It pissed me royally off at the time, but now I’m very very glad she did resist. It forced me to keep bringing back the focus to me, and honesty with MYSELF.

If your focus is to use the relationship struggles as a valuable teacher to help you heal, then “how long” will cease to matter. That question will take care of itself quite nicely, and healthily. What truths you learn will help you make YOUR part of this relationship - or any future relationship - more solid, and genuinely loving.

When I made the commitment to stay in our marriage, I had realized that I didn’t really gain anything by leaving. I’d be carrying the same baggage to the next one, and it would keep weighing me down. With our history together, I also realized I had a lot of a foundation to work with. To get to know someone as well and as intuitively as I knew Lynda would take me a lot of time and more effort. That time would take away from the limited amount of moments I had to spend on MY healing, and journey of discovery.

One thing that helped me was I kept reminding myself that the more I genuinely improved MY part of the relationship, the more the relationship would naturally improve as a result. As a comparison, the healthier my physical heart is, the healthier my whole body becomes as a natural result.

And if SHE decided to leave at some point, what I had gained inside from my own healing would stay with me. I would be more prepared to have a healthy relationship with my next partner. Focusing on my own healing carried me to a new path in which, no matter what happened, the only things I’d lose were the stones in my own baggage that kept dragging me down.

You had a good insight in your share. You have taken on the role of caretaker. That’s what you need to begin learning how to let go of. Caretaking usually involves hidden expectations - we do it in hopes of getting our needs met in return. But what drives many of our deepest needs is an adamant refusal (and fear) to deal with old buried pain. If we’re not willing and ready to deal with it, how can we expect our partner to??? They can’t; they will fail, again and again. And the disappointment, and sense of betrayal will continue to grow in the relationship.

Get some counseling sessions for YOURSELF, alone. Use your joint sessions as a way to help you see how your choices are affecting her, and your own well-being. Bless everything she does that results in anguish or pain or confusion inside you. She is pushing buttons on hidden inner trapdoors inside you that are holding old shit - trapdoors that you aren’t able to open or even see on your own. It isn’t crap that you caused, or ever wanted, Someone else put it there. But it keeps messing up your life. You can’t find true happiness as long as it stays buried, any more than you can find true physical health living over a buried toxic waste site. How long? How long is a miracle worth waiting for?:)

Good luck, and keep searching. It’s worth it.


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