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Letting go - Barry

I'm not sure if you read my last post re: healing a broken heart etc...? but, my wife just doesn't want to give me any hope whatsoever... our communication is at best fleeting although she surprises me at times with some of the things she does? e.g. sending birthday, anniversary prezzies (in the form of cheques) to my family? one minute she's criticizing them "blood's thicker than water!"..next she's sending them money?

her not having the phone on means I cannot easily make arrangements to see our son, having to go thru her mother (who is the proverbial MIL from hell! I kid you not!)... I have to organise someone to cover for me when I travel up to see our son as well as accommodation. after last weekend I thought well "that's it, it's all over!"... but my wife coming out with "all I ever wanted was a "nice" man..that's all"...still sticks in my craw? I'm not perfect but shit! what do say to comments like that? I was lost for words... I thought perhaps it better not to say anything?

anyway.. about mother's day... as I mentioned previously, I'd like to make it a special day and show my wife I still love and care for her deeply but what is "okay" ? I'm sure anything I do will be interpreted as controlling or manipulative or whatever?? it's her very first mother's day btw... call me romantic but I think it is an important day in a woman's life... personally I've never needed one particular day to celebrate anything or show my appreciation for someone so??....any suggestions Bernd??

From: Bernd

Regarding the phone thing, try to look at solutions somewhere on a sliding scale of "lousy" to "works great!", and keep searching and trying new possible solutions that give you a chance of moving up that scale. If something you try makes things worse, don't sweat it...it's part of experimentation. Remind yourself that there's ALWAYS a solution, and sometimes we have to find a whole bunch of ways that things DON'T work, before we find one that does work good enough. Make a "possibilities" list, of things you could try to lessen the phone problem, then give yourself time to just let those ideas swim around inside, and find out which ones seem to have a better feel to them. Then try some! And REJOICE when one fails - cause it's bringing you closer to one that will WORK!

Just a reminder - your wife has a lot of things to sort out from HER past, and probably trying to deny that a lot of it exists to herself. Don't expect rational behavior from someone who has a swirl of conflicting emotions and confusion inside. That includes her, and that includes you. It includes me too, when I'm messed up! (which is a lot of times):) Accept whatever she says as her best guess for the moment on what she wants, and has wanted, Doesn't make it true, just her best guess - for that moment.

You, and I, are a "nice man". We're also NOT a "nice man". Both. That's called being human. The more we can accept our faults as normal, and blessings, the less other people can control our emotions, and our peace of mind. (The "blessing" of me not being a "nice man" is that - when I see other people not being "nice", it helps me remind myself that I have no right to sit in judgement of them, and I can share empathy when they reach out.)

Re: Mother's Day - look at your motives. If you are hoping she'll be happy, or pleased with what you do, you are setting yourself up for a fall, and there is a hidden control motive at work. Remind yourself that you're still very much at the beginning of this path you're on, and many of your motives will have control attempts wrapped up in them. That's ok. If you were able to change all that overnight, you could make a billion selling your secrets.:) I still have control as a hidden motive in many of my choices, but just improving a tiny bit each day makes a world of difference.

If you do something for Mother's Day, because it feels good to YOU, and you can be comfortable with her reacting in a totally unpredictable way, then you're ready to let your inner voice guide you from there. Just try your best guess at what feels right, and leave the results in God's hands, and let go of needing the results to be something you'd like. If you give something out of genuine love, you will get back something magical as a result, when you least expect it.

Hope that helps.

How's the other recovery searches going?

From: Barry

hi Bernd!

I read Lynda's "a few word's" and found them very insightful.. once again the strengths and weaknesses of your experiences and the fact that you've both chose to share them has helped me a great deal personally. Thanks to you both!

re: the phone thing, improving communication with my wife, etc... this weekend just gone, I was up visiting our son and went to check with a new indoor pool that has recently started up in the town where my wife and son now reside. I'd asked about organising swimming lessons on a Saturday morning (my wife takes our son once a fortnight for lessons btw). I spoke with the owner's wife who manages the sessions and she took down my details and said that she'd call my wife and let her know when the sat. morning sessions would be available. I naturally assumed she meant calling my wife's mother's and so looked at the number written down beside our names. it wasn't one I was familiar with. making a mental note of the last three digits (it is a small town after all), I went outside and rang the operator to check if the number was that of some friend's who live around the corner from my wife's. strike 1. so I thought what the hell, my nagging suspicions getting the better of me and rang the number. three rings later and my wife (simultaneously very surprised and pissed off!) picks up the phone and answers... strike 2. she was obviously quite upset that I'd discovered her 'little secret' and wanted to know how I got the number? she tried to justify it by saying it was only local call access, not long distance, umm... that it was just for emergency's etc... I explained how I got the number immediately, but she was still not convinced, asking me who told me the number.."who told you?" so I assume a number of our 'mutual' friends, who we are both still in touch with (and those that we're not?) knew of the number! she was really pissed, let me tell you. I was deeply hurt by the whole thing and said so. said it didn't matter anymore and to forget about it. I think I said I didn't give a **** about her anymore? (for which I apologised later?) all this time, all these games re: communication etc... I can just imagine her folks laughing behind their backs at me?

needless to say I'm over it... I told her I not to worry that I wouldn't call her on and that she should change the number if she felt motivated. I said I'd continue to leave messages with her parents and left it at that... what you said about everything that she does helps me is right Bernd... as long as I feel good about myself and my actions nothing she or anybody else does can bring me down... I understand a little more of her pain at discovering my cyber affair and my reasons for flying half-way around the world while we were separated...

her last words on the matter when she noted a change in my attitude towards her were... "so are you going to act the victim now I suppose?"...*sigh*

I gave her a letter to read, just my thoughts etc. and she read while she was standing in front me, deriding it line by line... I really cannot help her Bernd. I realised that on Sunday... and somehow that releases me from that obligation? even stranger, on Saturday night after dropping our son off at my wife's, I went drinking in the local establishments to drown my sorrows and met a man called John, in his late fifties, who as it turned out had just left his wife of 36 years. he hadn't even told any of his friends or family, but instead had just shot through... I offered him my heart and my experiences and rediscovered one of the things that is that is so great about men... our experiences... john asked me did I love my wife? could I look her in the eyes and tell her that I wanted only her to the exclusion of all other women for the rest of my life?... he reminded me that I had the rest of my life ahead of me, that I'm only young and that I can start again... whereas he felt he only had ten or so good years left and that he should've left twenty years ago. I thought about your 'good Friday miracle' story and wondered what God had in mind for me with this chance meeting?

From: Bernd

You are seeing sides of your wife you never really saw before (the lying, for eg.). If you can accept that she has difficulties with honesty, it may be easier to let her digs roll off your back, without taking them to heart as much as you have been doing. When we are dishonest with others, we are often just as dishonest with ourself.

Keep letting go, and trying to find the best solutions for YOU. One of the things you've likely been very good at doing is taking responsibility for the way she feels, especially about you or things you do. Search for what feels right and caring for you inside, and let her do all the sighs she wants. My guess is that her sighs are her way of trying to get what she wants from you - they are control. Let her have them, and remind yourself that you are responsible for your choices and feelings, and she has the same responsibility for hers.

Remember, the path your on is still fresh, so be patient with yourself. There's a lot still yet to discover on the road ahead of you. There's freedom and real love there too. Count on it.


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