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To Bernd To PD To all - wolfie

Bernd, I agree with you that most relationships can be healed and transformed when we focus on our own individual growth and what this relationship is teaching me. I agree with all that you share. But I also feel sometimes that not all two people are meant to stay together. For me personally, I needed to go thru MANY relationships before I was ready to be with my soulmate - my present partner. I feel that we all, on some level, yearn for that soulmate connection. You see, I feel that prior to coming into this lifetime, we make certain agreements with people and we make agreements that we will connect and help each other grow. When I met my present partner, I felt that I had known him forever - and I knew I was meant to be with him (if you have read anything about soulmates or twinflames - I felt he was my twin) Who knows?? But I knew I was meant to be with him and your web page has helped me immensely - hang in there. But I had to go thru many relationships first to prepare myself. And sometimes we need to do all of these things so we CAN see our patterns, etc.

I mean, for me, I needed all of the experiences I had for it helps me today recognize certain patterns in myself when they come up - and I can use that knowledge in the present. Sometimes two people stay together for the children, or for fear of being alone, or for fear of hurting another, or of fear of losing our "security, but staying under those circumstances - isn't that going in the way of fear instead of love? When we place others' needs before our own, isn't that acting in fear not love? I mean if we do it because we really want to do it and our heart is in it, then that is love - but if we are doing things based out of guilt or feelings of "I should" or etc., isn't that going in the way of fear not love? For you and Lynda, it is the loving choice to stay together but sometimes the loving choice is to walk away. And it may be as simple as a yearning........no? And yet I do agree with you wholeheartedly that sometimes we think, this isn't it and we think that someone else can make us happy - and as you know, and I agree, that this is a lie - for no one can make us happy but us. BUT - sometimes you know - I feel we think too much ( know I do) - and sometimes our heart is just urging us onward.......because it is just meant to be that way. (we are meant to have these experiences.......). I don't really know of course - these are just ramblings. What do you think?

From: Bernd

Wolfie, here's the paradox I see. To be able to "understand" the whispers that my inner voice is sending me requires a commitment to healing, and learning how to love myself and others with genuine love. For me to "know" (or get close to it) that the deep down feeling I have is really one of a soulmate, my belief is that I need a TON of recovery in addition to what I have now. If my guesses about many of my other gut feelings are off the mark, what makes me think I've got "this one" bang on the mark?

That doesn't mean I can't "act as if". If my best guess is Lynda IS my soulmate, as long as I remind myself that my understanding of my inner voice is far from perfect, I keep myself open to other possibilities. What if the real truth, for example, is that the strong feelings I'm getting come from believing in MY loveability at a depth I never did before (triggered by my partner's or new lover's acceptance and validation of me?) As long as I hold fast to a "truth" I see, I'll never discover the truth I'm really being led to.

To me, the real paradox is - if we are all connected and "one", we are all soulmates with each other. You and I - if we choose to do so - can have as much love as we seek in our relationship. God does not limit any of us to a certain amount of love until we find our soulmate. If I allow myself to be guided by my inner voice instead of old cherished beliefs and fear, the amount of love possible in any relationship is limitless. It is MY capacity to accept and give love that limits the amount of love I have in my life.

My relationship with Lynda is special no matter what spin I put on it, no matter whether I believe we are soulmates of not. We have an intimate shared history, fertile soil on which to build. We have children, who help remind us that God builds natural bridges and bonds in our lives. We have a wealth of shared memories to draw on.

The words that keep popping into my head in the soulmate discussions is "until I discover the soulmate connection with myself, I will remain blind to my true soulmate connections to others". I'm just beginning to explore my soulmates inside. I believe that is where I'll find all the answers I will ever need to know in this lifetime. Those are my guesses.

P.S. God gives us what we need, when we need it. But understanding why, and seeing gifts and accepting them even when they are wrapped in barbed wire, describes much of the struggles I have on my recovery journey. God gives me understanding when I'm ready, and if I attempt to short-circuit that process, I fall over cliffs again and again.

From: wolfie

Hi Bernd, I am not disagreeing with anything you are saying. What I am saying is that sometimes we need to remove ourselves from a situation that is no longer conducive or helpful to our growth. You see, I am very hard on myself and there was a time when I was working at a job that I really hated - it was depressing being there - but I forced myself to stay and to figure out what it was I was trying to learning etc., because I am always doing that. Now one day, I talked to my sister and she gave me some very practical advice. Simple really. She said - if you don't like it, leave. In other words, create a new reality. I did leave and I have been in this job ever since. I remember getting a big AH HA that day.

I remember thinking that I sure do create struggle and difficulty for myself (it is a deep seeded belief - that life is a struggle) and so I create struggle and pain for myself when actually, the answer could be quite simple. See, I have been "working" on myself for quite some time and sometimes I get so caught up in what I am trying to learn - and I've got to force myself to do this and be this and learn this - when the answer could be quite simple - but I make it difficult because of the deep seeded belief that I need to struggle. So I was so happy that I left that job. For me, I just needed a new environment. Simple. You see, I am not perfect and sometimes I need external help - in other words - I like to hang with people who are positive and who support my growth - I have a choice as to who I want to hang around with. Personally, I do not watch the news - to me, it is very depressing and it shows all the things "wrong" with the world instead of all the miracles that are happening daily. So I have that choice not to watch it. It supports me to not watch it. I have that choice what I want to allow in and what I choose not to. I have that choice to create the reality in which I choose to live.

Which brings me to another story. The Ugly Duckling. This duck thought it was so ugly - it was born into a family that hated it and she looked so different that everyone made fun of it. It was given lots of torture and it suffered. It had to run away to save its life. Many years went by - one day the little duck came across some beautiful swans - and the swans just welcomed her and for the first time in her life, she felt home. In fact, they looked JUST LIKE HER. She realized that she wasn't ugly after all - she was actually a swan. a beautiful swan who finally felt at home with like minds. Her self esteem flourished. I bet you that if she saw those ducks today and they made fun of her, it wouldn't phase her because she finally knew inside that she was beautiful. Having those swans into her life helped but isn't that the beauty of having loving and supportive people in our lives.

I do believe we create our reality - I do believe in the mirror factor - that we create situations based on our beliefs about self. I believe in what you write about. But sometimes I feel it is for our highest good to walk away from certain situations or environments that don't support us. Sometimes we stay when we need to leave and sometimes we leave when we need to stay. We just need to listen to our higher self. Just some ramblings. This isn't a struggle with you Bernd, it is one with myself.

From: Bernd

What you said rang echoes inside of me. I left 2 different support groups, and a few therapists, because I realized that I alone held the responsibility of choosing which people and sources supported my growth and healing most. I made those choices after a lot of struggle and confusion inside.

I look for a few things when I "leave" in such ways. First, am I leaving because I'm "running" or "walking"? Second, am I ready to accept that I can't handle the situation because MY healing isn't enough yet? (that keeps me from "blaming", which is a trap for me). Third, does the other person want a relationship with me, but is being tripped up in their own struggles? Fourth, if they do want to continue a relationship with me, are they willing to go thru the pain that my recovery will keep triggering in them?

Those help keep me honest with myself. (I used the word "help", not guarantee). When I left Lynda for a few months, I struggled with #1 and #2 for months. It was only when I accepted that *I* was unable to cope with our relationship at the stage, because of all my own problems trying to find guidance inside, that I finally got enough calm to leave. And in leaving, I knew that what I needed to search for most while away was a clearer pipeline to my inner voice.

It was very tempting when we got back together to look for a partner that I'd have less struggles with. Lord knows, there were PLENTY of men and women each of us could have found that had MUCH less problems than each of us did. I know it's sooo hard many times to tell the difference between a "healthy" leaving, and an unhealthy one. For instance, contrast the Ugly Duckling with another fairy tale, Beauty and the Beast. In that story, a girl who seemed to be mistreated in so many ways by a man who resembled a beast still treated him with kindness and caring. She was able to reach him in a deep enough way so that a miracle occurred, and he became a prince.

To me, the truths in both fairy tales are true, even tho they are seemingly opposite. One of the difference is that swans have the power to fly in the directions they choose, while ducklings don't - because they are still children. If I allow Lynda to control my emotions and choices, then it's my cooperation that keeps the status quo going - including my happiness. If I begin treating myself with more love, and claim back my power over my own choices, whatever Lynda does from there are her own choices. It may be the my recovery is the best chance she has of finding her own. If I leave before my example has a chance to trigger that in her, we both lose out - because our history together gives us both sooooo much to work with. If she had chosen to wall herself off even more, my guess is that - at some point - SHE would have found living with me intolerable, and left. And if she had tried harder and harder to regain control over me, at some point I believe my inner voice would have kicked in and said "it's time to walk". Leaving in such a case would be the most loving thing I could do for her.

It's a maze my mind has a hard time finding words to. The reading I get is that one of the key differences in choices of leaving or staying comes from the willingness to accept WHATEVER guidance comes from inside. If that guidance is gently pushing me in a direction that terrifies me, that is where I must go. I think one of the most common traps I've gotten into is searching so eagerly for peace, serenity, love, joy, and happiness, that when the path to it has the roadsign "struggle and pain", I try everything I can to delude myself that I'm wearing the wrong glasses. When I embrace and welcome struggle and pain when I'm being led to it inside, everything I want - including the serenity - will be there on the other side. I have a deep faith in that, built by my experiences in taking just those kinds of paths.

I'm getting alarm bells in PD's situation. I don't know exactly why yet, but I do know from Lynda's and my relationship that LETTING Lynda have her pain and struggle without trying to ease it has been the best gift I could give her many times. When our thoughts are out of tune with the real messages our emotions and soul are trying to give us, we have discord. Like strings on a lute. When our understanding and thoughts are in tune with our emotions and soul, we have harmony - and it sings sweetly. As long as there's a little alarm bell ringing in my head somewhere over a choice I make, I know I'm in danger of burning myself still.

We're both searching for answers that make sense to us, and others. I have to keep reminding myself that my experiences are only a tiny slice of life, and that I'm really just in an ongoing guessing game! The closer my guesses get to the truth, the better my life gets.

The neat thing about the dialogue that we're having is that your viewpoints and experiences give me gifts I can't get on my own. When Lynda and I talk about something, what we see different helps each of us as much as what we see the same. Whatever the truths are, I want to get closer to them. I want my life to get better. I want to believe in fairy tales again.:)

From: wolfie

Dearest Bernd, Thank you for your honesty and for your wisdom!!!! The truth is, I've been in a bad funk! I've asked myself that question many times - is it the loving choice to leave or to stay. I feel bad for my partner because he never knows from one day to the next, how I feel - I'm all over the place and to be honest, feel as if I'm losing my mind!! I have never been so challenged in all of my life!! Every issue I could possibly have about myself, has come up in this relationship - (oh yes he has his own issues also) We both probably feel like we've been to hell and ..... I was going to say back but we're not there yet. He is such a wonderful soul and to be honest - I don't quite feel deserving of it. I'm burnt out. And yes, I feel I'm losing my mind. I don't know. I'm so very tired. Thanks for listening and thanks for your wisdom!!!!!!!

From: Bernd

We pray to God to hurry up and heal us, and he answers our prayers! And that's WHEN we start pulling our hair out.:) Be easy on yourself. We're all watching God's work in progress in you, and personally, I like what I see a lot.

From: Anne

What wonderful words of life Wolfie and Bernd have written!! You are helping me so much in my struggle just to understand what I'm dealing with. My problem again is with the family unit. I am a big fan of Dr. James Dobson of Focus on the Family (as is my husband) and my love for my family far exceeds my selfish desires to have a soulmate spouse yet I don't know if I can continue living with the emptiness of the relationship that I am in forever!My husband has a good heart and has experienced a lot of pain in his life that has caused him to behave towards me in a negative way. He is improving, yet I don't feel any thing more for him as a result. And it would be very difficult for me to be yet another "deserter" in his life. Again, this is my struggle...hurt 3 people to seek my own happiness? I can't, yet I'm so thirsty!

From: Bernd

Anne, I'm curious. Have you ever sat down with anyone (your husband or a trusted friend), and said something like this "I want everything out of life that God offers me, and I want to share that journey with my husband. Can you help me discover love there that I never imagined existed before?" Your husband is probably as unfulfilled as you are, and maybe both of you are afraid of bringing up your true feelings because you are afraid the other will blame it on themselves, and be hurt tremendously?

We suffer in silence, and it's that silence that keeps us in suffering. Low risk is high risk. I don't think your two seemingly opposite possible paths are opposite at all. Maybe your relationship with your husband has the roots firmly in place, but no blossoms yet? If so, God wants your help in answering your prayers. How? Maybe by first recognizing that you both have gone as far as you can with the road maps you were GIVEN. Maybe the next steps are something you can find only by reaching out to those that have traveled that road before you, and are more than willing to guide you towards the greater love and happiness that you both deserve.

Think for a second what heaven on earth would be in YOUR lifetime. Would a husband that you're passionately in love with for the rest of your life - and he with you, and children that have sparkles in their eyes everytime they visit you with their grandkids - because there is so much MAGIC in your home - come close? I think it's attainable Anne, in the very relationship you're in right now with your husband. I have an unshakable faith that it is. It will require leaps of faith that will scare you to your core at times, but to discover our wings, as some point or another we have to let go of the safety of the ground beneath our feet.

If you begin such a search, both you and your husband will want to quit many times, because of the fear of the unknown, and fear of failure. And sometimes you'll find yourself leading, and him holding back for what seems like an eternity. Those times are the time when your faith in God will be shaken to the core. But from our own experiences, miracles COME from such times, when we think all of our efforts have been in vain.

If we are willing to believe these kinds of miracles are within your power to find, and accept from God, then I'd start you off with a few simple suggestions. Make a commitment to your happiness, and finding the type of powerful passionate love that hurts no one, and that you deserve. Search for every resource you can find that holds the chance of helping you in that search. There are marriage encounter weekends that most churches have information on, that are very helpful. Instead of telling your husband that there's something "wrong" with your marriage, let him know that you want to learn to love better, that you are no longer satisfied in settling for anything less than a wild passionate romance with him. This is what YOU want (and I suspect what he wants deep inside). Ask him for his help, to help YOU find that, not to change "him".

Much of your search won't require any effort from him. Your search will likely bring you to some important insights about yourself, and how the rocks other people placed on your back earlier in your life have been weighing you down. Your search for love will not only help you nurture the "blossoms" you want to see, with sunshine and rain (tears), but it will also help you rediscover a much more loving relationship with yourself.

Be selfish. Be very, very selfish. Desire to have it all, with no one losing anything, and everyone gaining because of your gains. It IS possible, and what's more, genuine love guarantees it. When we find it where it has always existed. Deep in our souls. Those are my guesses, and thoughts. Hope something here helps in your search.

From: wolfie

Dearest Anne, I know how you are feeling inside - I truly DO!!! I don't have the answers for the path you must make for yourself - the answer WILL reveal itself to you, though, I know this. One thing I could add, though, and that is about affirmations, etc., and what we choose to focus on. I am a firm believer that: as we think, so it is - as we believe, so it is - whatever we focus on is our reality. So in other words, by focusing on what we don't have, we will stay in what we don't have. (in that reality) By focusing on what we want, we will create that as our reality. In other words, when I focus on, in my relationship, about things that are wrong - I stay there in that reality and things actually get Worse - because that is where my focus is on. When I focus on all that I have and all that I desire - I AM FILLED WITH LOVE AND LIGHT, I AM FILLED WITH PASSION AND MY RELATIONSHIP WITH MY PARTNER IS PASSIONATE AND WILD AND FUN - I AM HAPPY, WHOLE, AND COMPLETE - MY LOVE LIFE IS EXCITING - I AM FREE - etc. etc, when I do these things, when I focus on these things, it becomes my reality. Of course, it is important to affirm I AM vs. I want - when we affirm I want, we stay in our want, when we affirm I AM, it manifests as our reality.

It really works! I know I talk about affirmations a lot on this web site but that is because I am a firm believer in that thoughts are things. And we all have the power to create our reality based on our thoughts and beliefs. By affirmations, saying them over and over, you may just wake up some day and realize that you have it all!!!! (as I am writing this, I am realizing that I, too, need to do this more :-) ) I have seen and experienced this work countless times!!! We really do already have it all - we just need to embrace it.

From: Anne

Wolfie, Bernd, What do you think about this......I have it all EXCEPT the part of a relationship with my husband that I know I am capable of having but not sure he is capable of it. If he is not capable of the depth of relationship that I am then I know I need it with someone! I have good kids, a lovely home, good family time, great parents and great friends. These things could change if I seek to satisfy my emotional needs by divorcing or splitting the family up. I know people understand this here and much of what they say helps me deal with it but it's not changing my situation and I know only I am capable of changing it, yet if I make a move it changes everything. And for what.....something I'm pretty sure is out there but not positive?, to seek what I think will help me emotionally but don't know for sure??? At what expense is it "time" to do anything.....ever?

I have a friend who has lost her sister to cancer, her husband died suddenly at age 40, she has not children and now her mother is struggling with ovarian cancer. She is so frustrated because she's had people taken from her and she had no control over it. She gets angry with me because she thinks I can control my situation yet I won't take steps to do anything about it. I don' take steps because I don't know what to do. I have been to counseling and I don't think there are any counselors that have an answer or make me find an answer as long as I feel the way I do about the family unit. Thoughts Wolfie....you too Bernd!

From: Bernd

The $64 question IS "If he is not capable of the depth of relationship that I am..." That seems like the ground floor fear that's blocking you. Anne, in your relationship with God, have you asked God that question, and calmed down your fears and thoughts enough to let Him answer? If God creates all of us in his own image, then we are all capable of limitless love. If we aren't giving it, there's something blocking it - and the biggest blocks are buried childhood pain and beliefs that we had no choice to accept as children.

Now, let's look at the mirror. If you've given up on therapy and searching for answers, what's the example he's seeing? He will likely feel that therapy and searching are a waste of time too, and every effort you make to try to shake that belief will speak less than your actions.

You and I have also been taught that "pride" (being proud of who we are) is important. A love of the self is, but the opposite of pride - humility - is one of the foundations of loving ourselves and others. Humility isn't so much a virtue, as much as it is a tremendous gift we give to ourselves. The more I accept that my faults and imperfections are just as great as any other human on earth - even the "worst scum" - then I have less motive to judge others. Judging others is a very slippery trap for me, because it takes the focus off of healing myself.

It also helps me a lot in accepting others. Jesus said "whatever you do to the least of my brothers, you do to me". It's my belief that everyone is capable of tremendous love, but not everyone is able or willing to let God take the rocks on their backs that are crippling them and that love, until they are either forced to by pain, or find the faith they need to in someone else's example. I still have struggles with all my faults and imperfections, but I'm more aware everyday that they are all essential parts of my being. If I didn't discover all the rocks I have on MY back, I would never have been able to truly understand the crippling weight Lynda and others have carried so much of their lives. God doesn't just take the rocks when I hand each one over to him...he turns them into feathers and gives them back to me, helping me float lighter and easier as I take each new step. The only way I can fly closer to heaven is to find more rocks on my back to have God turn into feathers. There is no shortage.:) That is why I consider my faults as blessings, and one of Ghandi's quotes was the example that helped ME see that. My recovery eventually became one of the examples that helped Lynda begin her own searching.

I went thru 4 therapists, Susan went thru 8. We don't always find the 4 leaf clover in the first patch of grass we look in. God promises us life and love in abundance, if we truly seek for it, above all else. I know it feels as if trying to find what you're looking for in your marriage is hopeless, but my guess is what became possible in our marriage is just as possible in yours. And you have an advantage - you don't have the quicksand of an affair to wade thru first.

I hope you find the inner guidance and encouragement you're looking for to find what is truly best for you, with NO regrets about anything.

From: Anne

Bernd, I don't have the quicksand of an affair but I've had an "affair of the heart" that allowed feelings, conversations, and my "old" self to surface and "be" the person I am that I've never experienced with my spouse and doubt ever will because there is just a "difference" that I can't explain. Yes, I've wanted an affair, to be with this other person and share something physical that I think exists within me but it's not possible. So what if I experienced the physical with this other, mentally would it make any difference in where I am now?

From: Bernd

"So what if I experienced the physical with this other, mentally would it make any difference in where I am now?"

I believe, yes, it would. It would make you more unhappy. I could shoot up with heroin, and have a blissful high for a while too. But there's always the "price tag" after when a choice isn't truly loving.

Anne, you were wondering if your husband is incapable of giving you what you need. Have you decided in your heart and mind that it's futile trying to find out whether that's really true? Have you given up, and lost hope? If so, check inside to see where this wellspring of hopelessness is really coming from. Without hope, and faith, life becomes a truly difficult struggle. My reading is that there's something else going on inside you, and I may be out in left field, but the words "scared" and "hurt" come to mind. I'm also getting the reading that your struggle with your husband is masking the real roots of that emptiness. I dunno. If I'm way off base, my apologies in advance.

I wish I had the insights that could open a door for you. I truly wish I was more help to you.

From: Anne

yes, I've been hurt by him over the years and he realizes that now and is sorry and is also some different now, and I've forgiven him because I understand his background. What I can't do, for whatever reason, is be "in love" with him. I was wrong to have suffered silently when he did things that hurt me deeply, but I am a peacemaker and don't like fussing and arguing, so I kept it bottled up. When I finally brought it all out in the open, over the past few years he's made improvements, yet there is some reason I can't seem to love him. I've been through so much with different counselors that I think finding someone with anything different to say would be like finding a needle in a haystack. Yes, I've given up on my own emotions and live on auto pilot from day to day. It's been such a struggle for me to get him to open up that I don't care any more.....yet I do care because I don't want to see him deserted again. This is just too complicated for me, a simpleton. Love to me should come easy and effortless. A marriage you have to work at......but the love should be there without work. That's my thinking.

From: Pd

Well my heart goes out to you, because as I have stated in my earlier postings, I have been going through the same thing as you. I am happy to say, I HAVE made MY choice. I have decided to move on with my life. The family unit is what has made me come back here twice. Each time coming back to only find the same things happening. I am exhausted...mentally, and have to do SOMETHING. So I, being the one who has not been able think for myself for years....out of fear....finally made a decision. I plan on sticking to this decision, because I see it as an opportunity, not as a loss. I will gain much more from this move than I am losing, I am sure of it. Anne, NO ONE but you...can make those decisions for you. Like you, I crave and need that kind of relationship, and I made my choice based on MY needs. Maybe I am being selfish, but I feel I deserve to be selfish. I want myself and my children to be happy. Even my daughter has told me I am a different person when I am not around my SO. So, I know I am bettering MYSELF. I just wanted to share with you what is going on in my life at this time....I will keep you all posted.

From: Anne

PD....my thoughts and prayers are with you as you move through this time. It won't be easy I'm sure, but if you have made up your mind then be positive. I'm curious though, why you decided to leave....is your husband abusive at all to you or your kids? or is it just that you need more and you just don't love him? How do your kids feel about him? and this decision you've made? If you feel you want to share with me I'd be glad to listen.

From: wolfie

Dearest Anne, the answer you seek is within you and it WILL become clear for you. Sometimes when we are trying TOO hard for an answer - because we are SO focused on our problem, we stay stuck in the problem. Turn Away from it all for a moment. My suggestion: go someplace quiet for a day just with yourself - go to a beach - or go into the woods - someplace in nature and just be STILL. Sometimes we feel that we need to rush an answer - we feel we need to do something now - take action - and we force decisions, we get all confused inside. I suggest doing something for yourself just for a day - spend the day alone with you and your higher self, guardian angel, God, Spirit (whatever you choose to call it) and just BE. I feel your confusion and anguish - I really do and it is in these times that we need to let all of our problems disappear into the nothingness from where they came. Spend the day with yourself and just BE - be with yourself and with your guardian angel. Know that the answer WILL reveal itself to you. It will! And listen to the guiding nudge.

I cannot tell you what to do - it is not my right - for I know without a fraction of a doubt that your higher self is guiding you. I can share experiences and I can share thoughts but I know that you will do what you need to do for you.

I have learned that nobody can make me happy but me and my connection to the Divine! My happiness is my responsibility -- and I continue to work on that DAILY. It is TOUGH work!!! But I think it is quite natural to want to feel that incredible romance, attraction, connection feeling because when you fall in love like that, it is the closest feeling to God. { Read "The Path to Love" by Deepak Chopra.} But it is Because of my experiences (which I thank God for) that has brought me to where I am today. Many times we need to experience first hand!! That is what life is all about. I am glad my partner and I finally found each other - I will always always always remember our first meeting - our first 24 hours together - always! Here is a flip side of the coin : My partner was married for 15 years and he divorced. I asked him tonight that if he knew back then what he knows today, would he still be married - he answered: probably!! But he went on to say that it is Because of our relationship that he has learned all that he has. Go figure - you can look at that in many different ways. I would strongly recommend "Conversations with God" by Neale Donald Walsh - he has a wonderful section on relationships in there!!!!!

I'm sorry Anne - I don't have the answers - just a searching soul here myself. And to be honest with you, with the struggles I have had, I am ready to give all relationships up for good! :-) I do know, though, that each person is on their own unique individual path and listen to your inner voice of knowing. Try to just get quiet and listen.

No matter which way you choose, if you are serious in your quest, you will eventually have everything you could possibly desire - you will either awaken it together in your present relationship or you will elsewhere - either way, it is soul work on ourselves we're up to here.

From: wolfie

I must say this one thing - I don't always love my partner - sometimes I hate him!!!! I mean it!!! But I have given myself permission to feel whatever it is I am feeling and accept where I am at - instead of feeling guilty for how I feel.

From: Brian

Annie your in a tuff spot. As someone sitting on your husband's side of the fence I can see what my wife is going through in the words you say. Who has the answers, for sure it's only you and in you...easy to say. Don't have an affair. It will make things even more unhappy and fix nothing. You are not a simpleton...far from it. Counselors don't have the answers, all they do is try to get you to find them in yourself. Lets face it, things change over the years for people, what was important is not important in the same way. Find out what is very important to you and let him know! Don't make him guess, then maybe you will feel better then you ever have. That other person can be more the same, not 'different' then you think, but of course he has to be the one to change it, you can do it for him...but you can give him a direction.

I can tell you from my point of view, communication is a big problem. I've found that with my wife it feels like I have to keep guessing what it is that turns her crank. Sorry, but with the view of 'natural' planted in your head that implies that we as men should know right off the bat what you want. How can we give it to you when you don't know what you want


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